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Comment by walrus01 | original | 3rd Yandex Cloud Data Center Was Hit
[−]walrus01 · 2026-10-11 Sun 08:26 UTC · link
Building any appreciable amount of compute capacity (on the scale of, let's say, a single large datacenter in northern VA) inside a mountain also becomes a huge heat rejection problem, since with the exception of the 0.00000000001% that leaves the facility as photons down a SM fiber cable, 100% of the energy consumed is turned into heat.

So you build your stuff inside a mountain and run a bunch of big ass liquid cooling loops to heat exchangers in the atmosphere outside the mountain. The requirement of the cooling system being out in the open air means it can also be hit by air strikes, an adversary doesn't need to penetrate the mountain, just take out its cooling.

You'd have to build a fully underground cooling system that goes to a nearby river (or huge lake) and use the cold water from that, which would get costly quick.

[−]testaccount28 · 2026-10-11 Sun 08:48 UTC · link
neat. why can't you put the heat in the mountain?
[−]walrus01 · 2026-10-11 Sun 08:54 UTC · link
For broadly the same reason that many years of heat from braking has heat-saturated the london underground.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=london+un...

You could probably drill sideways into rocks and pump heat into the mountain for a certain period of time, but on a multi-month or year time scale, it would catch up with you after you had saturated it.

[−]martinjc · 2026-10-11 Sun 08:48 UTC · link
Pionen in sweden is a datacenter in a bunker. The Pirate Bay used to be hosted there.
[−]walrus01 · 2026-10-11 Sun 08:52 UTC · link
A few racks or even a couple of dozen racks could be called a datacenter, but nothing on any real scale. Enough to host important and niche things? Sure. I was referring more to like the size of what you might see in Quincy, WA.
[−]jeltz · 2026-10-11 Sun 09:58 UTC · link
Pionen is small but it is quite a bit bigger than "a couple of dozen racks". More like 100-200 if I recall correctly.
[−]martinjc · 2026-10-11 Sun 10:47 UTC · link
According to their site, Pionen has 1.5MW of cooling capacity https://swedendedicated.com/datacenter/
[−]efnx · 2026-10-11 Sun 08:51 UTC · link
So they want to build it in space. Trade one heat problem for another, but put it completely out of range (for most attackers).
[−]jltsiren · 2026-10-11 Sun 09:35 UTC · link
> You'd have to build a fully underground cooling system that goes to a nearby river (or huge lake) and use the cold water from that, which would get costly quick.

Helsinki gets its water from the 120 km Päijänne Water Tunnel, which cost €200-250 million (adjusted for inflation) to build. Peak flow is 10 m^3/s by gravity alone and up to 20 m^3/s with pumps, which should be enough to cool a 1 GW data center. You could increase the cost by 2x (because real wages have gone up), by another 2x (because middlemen have destroyed productivity), and by yet another 2x (because everything is more expensive in America), and it would still be pretty reasonable.

[−]Brybry · 2026-10-11 Sun 09:48 UTC · link
Iron Mountain does it but they used an existing limestone mine with a large water reservoir [1][2]

Edit: I guess the scale isn't comparable to a, for example, Google data center though.

[1] https://www.ironmountain.com/data-centers/colocation/our-dat...

[2] https://betterbuildingssolutioncenter.energy.gov/showcase-pr...

[−]killerstorm · 2026-10-11 Sun 12:17 UTC · link
They already run liquid cooling loops - compute density is way beyond what could circulate through air. Adding more pipes is probably trivial on the scale of datacenter expenses
[−]walrus01 · 2026-10-11 Sun 12:41 UTC · link
Liquid cooling loops don't solve the problem of needing to reject the heat to the atmosphere outside of the building. It just makes it more efficient to transport the heat. At the grossest possible definition, a datacenter of N megawatts on Y acres of land is going to emit the same amount of heat whether it's air cooled equipment or liquid is used to take the heat to the outdoor heat exchanging equipment.